Q4 2026 Earnings Call — March 5, 2026
Analyst Ross Seymour (Deutsche Bank): Hi guys, thanks for asking a question. Matt, thanks for all the updates on the out year, well, fiscal year, both this and next. Beyond the magnitudes of the revenue growth, can you just talk about the profile of it? Is the customer base broadening? People are always worried, especially in your custom business, about the concentration of it. So I just wanted to get a little bit more color on the shape of the demand from a customer perspective.
Executive Matt (Title): Yeah, thanks, Ross. Well, first of all, we're deeply engaged across the entire ecosystem. Extremely strong position with the top four US hyperscalers and then the next level. And each of them, we have a different concentration and revenue mix. But just to be super clear, if you look at this year and you look at us driving the company to 11 billion and then you unpack things like custom, it's not that big a percentage of the total. So that's not what's driving our concentration. I mean, by design, because the top four U.S. hyperscalers are spending the bulk of the capex, that's where the dollars are going to go. But we're quite diversified across each of them. And some of them we sell a different mix, obviously, of product, too. But in the case of all four, within our portfolio, which I just went through the laundry list of all the different types of products that we provide, we're highly diversified within each of these customers. So, yes, custom is something that gets a lot of attention, but if you just look at the numbers I gave you and the context I set, it's a piece of the equation but not all of it.
And then over time, even on the custom business, as you look out through fiscal 28 and fiscal 29, remember we've got 20-plus design wins or products now, sockets that are either in production or going into production that's going to layer in across all those companies as well. So the diversification is only going to get better over time, but we're very unique in sort of the breadth, I think, of the products that we offer and the product lines we have to really serve end-to-end the needs of all of our key hyperscalers. And the last two M&As we just did really round that out nicely in terms of adding PCIE, beefing up the UAL, and then also adding key silicon photonics capabilities. Thank you.
Analyst Harlan Soar (JP Morgan): Yeah, good afternoon, guys, and congratulations on the strong results in execution. Matt, you know, on your custom XPU and XPU attached sub-segment, you know, OpenAI recently inked a partnership with your lead XPU customer to consume, I think, something like two gigawatts worth of your lead customer's next-gen and next-next-gen XPU. So it feels like the overall demand for AI compute continues to accelerate. Right on top of that, like you said, you're ramping 15 to 20 XPU-attached custom programs this year and next year. Within your better outlook for custom this year, and with you already starting to ramp your lead customers' next-gen XPU program, do you still anticipate a stronger second-half step-up of this XPU program, or is it more of a linear ramp through the year now? And I think you previously thought that you would exit this year with custom driving about a $2 billion sort of annualized growth rate. What does that exit run rate look like today?
Executive Matt (Title): Yeah, thanks, Harlan. I think the first part of
your question is absolutely seeing strong validation in the market for the AI compute spend and the fact that a significant portion of that continues to go to companies that are building their own XPUs. So that's a positive trend. We certainly see it. And you're right, even where we don't necessarily have the XPU, we have XPU attached. So all the XPU attached is going with XPUs in customers where we're not even participating. So we participate across every one of those large companies and more on XPU attached. So that's a very positive trend for us. That's driving our positive outlook for sure through this year, which we said custom was going to grow faster than we thought, but more meaningfully into fiscal 28 and 29. And then from a linearity perspective, under the hood, we kind of give you a view of what the sequentials would look like throughout the year. But yes, custom we have said was going to be a stronger second half due to a program transition, that's still the case. And the type of exit rate you're talking about is certainly still intact and probably has an upward bias to it.
If you look at the exit rate we're talking about for the whole company now, we're looking at north of 3 billion. So within that, custom continues to have some real upside to it. But that's going to improve meaningfully, and the revenue growth is going to continue into fiscal 28, which is basically those programs from the second half now having a full year, so that's gonna provide some nice growth, content increase, then layering in the XPU Attach, and then layering in our new program with a new tier one hyperscaler, which is in its early stages, but just even the rough plug we have for them, is significantly lower than actually the wafers that we're planning on starting and the material and the production plan we have with our manufacturing supply chain. So I think it's a very reasonable setup for next year with a lot of upward bias, depending on if these trends continue. I appreciate that, Matt. Thank you.
Analyst Aaron Rakers (Wells Fargo): Yeah, thanks for taking the question. I guess my first question is on the optics, the electro-optics business. I know, Matt, you've talked about in the past that your ability to kind of outgrow the pace of what we're seeing in CapEx spend. So I guess my question is, you know, we've seen some massive upward revisions in CapEx. I think most people look at that and say, hey, we're looking at like 60% plus growth this year. Do you think you can grow at that level? And how do you think about the durability of that growth as we move into fiscal? And as we look at the upward momentum we see in the business for this year, a big part of that change is in that electro-optics portfolio. You know, we had been calling it kind of closer to CapEx, you know, as we were modeling what we thought we could do this year, you know, back in the September call and then even in my December call. But now it's clearly, you know, growing more like more like accelerator growth and more like this sort of accelerated CapEx growth. So, yeah, it's growing like 50% plus this year now. And that momentum is going to continue, okay, into fiscal 28.
A couple things are happening there. The first is that as new XPU, GPU, et cetera, generations are released, we are seeing some increased concentration on the attach rate of optics, so that's a positive. You get more 1.6T, which has, you know, just because of its performance, commands higher ASP. So that's going to roll in. And then we have, yeah, we just have some pretty new exciting programs happening in that area. So that business has been growing at, like, 50% a year-ish. You can give it plus or minus. I can get the exact data. But it's been at that rate for some time since we acquired Infi, and the data center stuff really took off. We see that continuing, not only through fiscal 28, but that momentum should continue beyond that. Maybe it's not the exact same magnitude, but it's significant. We have a real head of steam on the electro-optics business at Marvell. Thank you.
Analyst Blaine Curtis (Jefferies): Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. Matt, I wanted to ask on the custom business. you know, you feel very confident about that trajectory. I'm just kind of curious, one, can you just help us with 26? Because, I mean, you give us, you know, the big broad swath, but, I mean, is that custom business growing 30% this year? I just want to figure out the base that you're going to double. And can you talk about that second major XCU customer? I mean, to kind of give this type of guidance, like what kind of confidence do you have in the timing of that program?
Executive Matt (Title): Sure, yeah, and I think you're talking about, just to be clear, calendar 26, fiscal 27 on custom business. kind of what numbers are we talking? Is that the first question? The second one is our... Yeah, sorry, fiscal year, but yeah. No, it's okay. I... Fiscal 27, is it around 30%? And then just your confidence level on that second major X view customer and timing as we try to layer that in to get to that double.
Executive Matt (Title): Yeah, great. And by the way, don't feel bad. I've been in this job for 10 years and I still have to translate every day between my fiscal year and my calendar year, so don't feel bad. For fiscal 27, yeah, we had been indicating, you know, after the double from last year, it would grow 20% this year. So we're just saying that's north of that. So I can't give you the exact number now, but it's biased upwards. So just take what I read before. Was that 20? You know, you can make an estimate, but higher, but not significant enough where I would, like, give you a new number, but just say it's biased higher. So in the ballpark, but higher. So then next year obviously gets a little bigger than we thought. And then the reason we're confident is we have line of sight in terms of, well, first of all, we have history, right? We've built these large-scale custom programs before. We've done these ramps before. We have a good sense of when the product is going to go through its key milestones through NPI. We have had very detailed discussions and alignment around the manufacturing plan.
And we've, you know, we've lined up a corridor for fiscal 28 for production on this that would be a lot higher than what I'm indicating to you. I think we're budgeting at the moment for, you know, is there a delay? Does it take longer? You know, et cetera. And plus, I think at the moment, it seems like a lot of folks aren't really believing it's maybe going to do anything. But I think our plug is very, very reasonable for next year, Blaine, in terms of what's there. And I think it would buy us quite a bit higher if we could just achieve what we're planning on reserving in terms of capacity. So more to come there. But I think we try to call the ball as best we can. And in general, we've done a pretty good job over the years of trying to size and judge things in advance. And then usually we're pretty, pretty, pretty, pretty good. And then they buy us upwards. So we'll see where it lands. But I think it's not a big stretch for this custom business to double next year. Appreciate it. Thank you.
Analyst Ben Reitzes (Melius Research): Hey, guys. Matt, nice to see the beat and raise. And thanks for taking the question. You know, I wanted to ask the question about what got better in a different way. I mean, if you could just unpack since December the $2 billion, especially, you know, how fiscal 28 got $2 billion better since December. If we can unpack that and what exactly got better and then potentially, you know, I'm going to be a little greedy here. you know, what can carry into the next year as well, you know, calendar 28 of those signs that you saw since then. Thanks.
Executive Matt (Title): Yeah, thanks, Ben, and great to hear from you. A long time. So I think one is you just kind of look at it as progression. I mean, I guess the first point I'd make is, you know, we tried to give a view for investors to be helpful because there was a lot of concern and angst back at the end of last year. So in September, we talked about 9.4-ish for this year, and then that's now, in December we said that looks more like 10, and now I'm saying it's more like 11. So some of that is just the progression in terms of time and getting better visibility and more concrete. And then that just ripples into, I'll use calendar for a second, calendar 27. But on top of that, I mean, one, we've now got very firm requirements and understand the profile, in particular the interconnect business. And that is, I think we had called it very conservatively. To be frank, you know, and I think even a few analysts last quarter kind of dinged us saying, well, you're plugging your interconnect business at CapEx, but it really looks more like it should be tied to GPU, XPU. And that's really the case. So I think we're seeing that now in terms of the forecast.
So that's come up quite a bit, which then, again, the upward revisions we're seeing for this year then ripple into 2020. into next year and then I just say this is all underwritten, Ben, by extremely strong bookings and backlog layering in and then the detailed conversations with our customers around supply planning. It's just given us a much more concrete view. And by the way, the other reason I think it's important and why we felt it was important to continue to update on this metric is that we set targets back in April of 24 for calendar 28. We did that around some assumptions around data center market share of 20%. And those numbers looked enormous at the time we talked about it. I think you guys were there. You know, we were doing low billions a quarter, you know, in revenue at that time. You know, billion, I think we had guided one, one or one, two. And we put out this number that was like 15 billion in data center revenue in four years. And I think everyone thought we were nuts. At our June AI investor event, we said the TAM went up, so that data center revenue bogey kind of moved up to like, if you just did the math, moved up to more like $18 billion and change.
But now you kind of look at it, and you see where we're landing in calendar 26, and now we're sitting here in 27. I mean, we're very much on track actually to those targets that we had set then. And so in a way, yes, it's some upward revisions and that's part of it is just because we have more data, but it actually is also validating, I think, the plan we set actually four years ago about what we thought we could go off and do, which were very lofty ambitions and we're not there yet. And we have to go execute like crazy, me and the whole team. But we're very encouraged by what we're seeing, and the proof is in the pudding that we're getting in terms of the backlog, forecasts, and alignment with our entire supply chain to be ready to go make that happen both this year, next year, and in calendar 28.
Analyst Tom O'Malley (Barclays): Hey, guys, thanks for taking my question. I think in the preamble, Matt, you talked about AEC and retimers more than doubling in the fiscal year. Could you maybe give us some perspective on the base there? And then you've been really helpful in the next two years kind of giving the contributing factors of what is a pretty impressive growth profile. Maybe talk a little bit about how much that can contribute in this broader overview. Thank you.
Executive Matt (Title): Yeah, hey, Tom. Yeah, this is still an emerging area for us. So, you know, we're saying it's, you know, doubling, over doubling this year, but it's probably in the 200 million range is what I would say. I think based on some of the things we're looking at, maybe that goes higher, but that just gives you a sense of the magnitude. But it's going to keep going from there. We've seen this in a lot of our emerging product areas when we get into them. Once they start doubling, they kind of keep doubling. And you know this market quite well. There's quite a bit of room, I think, for a bunch of people to participate. So yeah, we're very encouraged by what we see based on the traction we have on our products, especially in product leadership. We leverage a lot of our DSP and PAM technology in this area. We inflected when both on the retimer side and AECs moved from NRZ to PAM, and that was our kind of conscious decision to do that. So we're earlier in this cycle because we're coming in in later generations than some of the existing sockets, but we intend to really invest here in a significant way and participate. Over the long term, we see that as complemented.
There's a place in the market for this, and we're going to participate, but obviously we made the bet when you go back to even the InFi acquisition five years ago on optics and pluggable optics in particular, and then now with Celestial also on CPO on the scale-up side. So there's a period of time we're going to participate. I think it's going to be great, and the business is going to do well, and it leverages what we have. I think it's going to be just part of our goal to be the end-to-end provider for our customers of all of these types of solutions, from electrical to optical to silicon photonics, various reaches, various distances, various form factors. That's what our customers are looking for. They want to have an interconnect partner that can be the one stop shop and do it all and have high amounts of leverage on the IT so they can trust it because we do it ourselves. And also on the firmware and the software and the system implementations, they also want to make sure that they have reusability. So it's been a virtuous cycle here. Just the scale up part relative to the scale out is smaller, but growing rapidly.
Analyst Vivek Arya (Bank of America Securities): Thanks for taking my question. Matt, I just wanted to first clarify what your XPU attach was last year and what contribution you expect in 27 and 28. And then kind of my most strategic question is when we look at the pattern of your first large XPU program, right, you had a very strong start followed by a competition from another supplier. how would your handicap kind of your exclusivity at the large new XPU customer you plan to start at next year?
Executive Matt (Title): Yeah. Hey, thanks Vivek. So maybe I'll answer the second one first. So yeah, we're, I think you're asking specifically about our new, our newer program that would ramp next year. And we feel very good about our position. These are, you know, very deep engagements we have with our customers. We're two hands on the steering wheel on this. This is multi-generational in nature. Given the rate of innovation and the pace that the technology is moving at, it's really in everybody's best interest to plan, not just one generation out, but even farther. And so we've really been able to do that, I think, across the board with our customers. And so we feel really good about our position there and the sustainability of that. It still needs to ramp, obviously, but certainly the CapEx envelope is out there to really consume a lot of product, and we're very encouraged by what we see from a roadmap perspective. And we're investing heavily as a company to be there across the board on all of the key attributes that these big XPU customers care about. I think more to come on that as well as future opportunities on XPU for the company.
But we feel very good about our position the next few years in terms of line of sight to hitting the revenue targets that we talked about over the last couple of years and then growing beyond that. And then, oh yeah, I'm sorry, then on the XPU, excuse me, on the XPU Attach, you know, again, the exact numbers, but just maybe big round numbers. And maybe we'll first start with the line of sight just on the NIC and CXL I gave you, which was kind of $2 billion out in 28. And then you layer more on that. And by the way, we had sized for everybody on the call, the XPU attached TAM in the future at about $15 billion in calendar 28. We didn't break it out exactly, but we had a total market share goal of about 20% in that timeframe. So let's just call that 3 billion, we're driving in that area. So let's take a step back now. XPU attached probably in the couple hundred million ballpark, let's say like this last year, doubling this year, maybe over, over doubling again the year after. So I think by next year, this thing's probably a billion dollar type business. We'll see how it all shakes out.
It's all going to happen under the hood of our custom business, Vivek, but just to give you a sense, it's on a massive trajectory upward, and it's in that category of kind of double plus each year. Thank you, Matt.
Analyst Torres Fomberg (Stiefel): Yes, thank you, and congrats on the record quarter. Matt, I was hoping you could give us a bit of an update on the mix of the opto-electronic business. So you talked about 1.6 already shipping, but my understanding is that 800 gig is definitely going to be the bigger volumes this year. So any sense for what the mix is going to look like for fiscal 27 between 1.6 and I guess 8 and even some 400s?
Executive Matt (Title): Yeah, well, I think you got it right, first of all. And we had been saying this for a while, that 800 was going to be sort of stronger for longer. And I think that was our mantra even last year. And that's still the case for sure. But as I mentioned in the prepared remarks, we had significant shipments, actually, of 1.6T at the end of last year. And it's going to ramp, again, pretty hard this year. But 800 will still be the majority. I think it's going to take probably through I mean, even next year, 800 is still going to be strong. So I can't give you the exact breakout at the moment, Tori, but, you know, part of the, I think, the uplift as well in terms of just our outlook for interconnect for the year was also based on kind of all of our customers revising up in terms of what they were going to need, but maybe a little bit more pronounced in 1.6T, and it's really ramping strong with those initial customers we had, and more will layer on throughout the year and next year. So, yeah, maybe more on that later, Tori, but I'm probably not in a position to give you the exact number. And also I'd say the reason why, too, is it's been moving around a lot. I mean, this has been very dynamic in terms of the bookings environment and the demand environment. So I think the mix will have a better view, you know, of what that looks like as we progress throughout the year. Very helpful. Thank you.
Analyst Joe Moore (Morgan Stanley): Great. Thank you. With all the growth that you're looking at here, I wonder if you see anything on the supply chain that could be challenging for you. My sense is you've come a long way in terms of supply chain management since a couple years ago, but just any updates there would be great.
Executive Chris (COO): Yeah, thanks, Joe. Look, we've been in a tight supplier environment for anything that touches AI, you know, advanced web fabrication, advanced packaging, large body substrates since the launch of ChatGPT. And against that backdrop, to your point, we were still able to grow the company north of 40% in total revenue last year. So we clearly have very, very good relationships with our suppliers. But I would argue that really what helps is we've been forecasting this growth for quite some time, you know, and by giving them, you of what we're going to need and ramping into these numbers is really helping us. And so I'm very confident we've secured the supply that we need for all the growth that Matt outlined this year, next year, and beyond. Yeah, we're in good shape, Joe.
Analyst Jim Schneider (Goldman Sachs): Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. It was great to hear the increased visibility you have in the business into next year. But if I think about the guidance for $15 billion of revenue next year and $5 of earnings, roughly speaking that's about 15% to where I see the discrete consensus being for next year's revenue, but only about half that on the earnings side. So can you maybe unpack a little bit? What are the moving pieces below the top line whether that's gross margin mix or increased investments to sort of get to that or the $5 number just relative conservative?
Executive Matt (Title): Yeah. Yeah a Jim. Yeah. Yeah, that's like a just a floor like it's five plus and you can you can run the You can run the your own pro forma, you know income statement, but just to give you a sense of how to think about it so on the top line you know, we gave you a framework, and then you can also take basically where we're going to exit this year, and you could use whatever number you want to model finally in your model, but we're saying, you know, put in three or a bit more, and then if you actually just kind of roll through some of the guidance we've given you already for this year on OPEX and the moving pieces on gross margin, you know, we actually start to get to our target operating model, margin model, exiting the year. And, you know, that, you know, probably continues through the next year is a safe assumption. So the number, if you put in 15 and you put in that, it probably floats above $5. So that was not a prescriptive number or a firm number. It was just a five plus.
People are going to have their own estimates, and you guys will sort of come up with your own view, but, but yeah, no, I'm not making any comment about any kind of margin changes or dilution or losing leverage at all. We're going to get leverage, you know, we're in the mid thirties op margins right now. If you kind of look at where we were last quarter and what we're guiding and that's, that should float up throughout the year. And, and then, you know, not, not calling it exactly for next year, but it, it probably would be consistent with our, certainly our exit rate of this year. And so that's a simple way to think about it. So it's, that would pop out a number above $5. Thanks very much for that.
Analyst Christopher Roland (Susquehanna International Group): Hey, Matt. Thanks for answering the question. So mine is around kind of big picture, like this CPO scale-up world. Perhaps if you could describe what it looks like, what it looks like for Marvell. But also in your prepared remarks, you talked about integrating Celestial. It sounds like into the Novium platform. I was wondering, you know, are there potentially like UA Link switch trays that you might be able to integrate this into as well? and just the timing around such products would be cool.
Executive Matt (Title): Yeah, great, thanks. So, yeah, on the initial plan on Celestial, and just by the way, on the big picture side, our view pretty consistently for some time now has been that the deployment of CPO and scale-out would be relatively limited, especially relative to the amount of pluggable transceivers that we're going to get deployed. And we can go back many, many OFCs ago, and that's been our view. And that's been the case to today, for sure. And then I think on the go forward, relatively wise, it's still the case, although you may see some in the industry. That's not our current plan today, although we could absolutely do that and do that integration with the Celestial technology and our Inovium TerraLynx products. And we've done POCs and we've done some work there, but we'll be ready to react to the market there, Chris, when it's needed. On the scale up, and you mentioned UAL, that's a perfect use case where that is where we see that CPO technology inflecting in a pretty big way. And Celestial brought us a pretty significant design win and engagement in that area. And that's what we're trying to drive for next year.
So when we ramp it next year, at the end of next year, that would be serving the scale-up application. And it would be both an integration of the photonic fabric chiplet into the XPU as well as on the switch side. That's the first one. There will be a whole bunch of shipments on scale-up switching that will be copper-based, and that's going to exist for some time too. But we're seeing very, very strong interest across the board for kind of beyond the next few years of where the CPO for scale-up really starts to inflect. And this has been – and that's sort of been our recognition over the last year or two is that's where that's going to happen, and that's why we did the M&A and we brought the team on. So to sum it all up, we'll be shipping next year – you know, CPO for scale up at one large customer. And then we're working on more for beyond that.
Analyst Mark Lepasas (Evercore ISI): Great. Thanks for taking my question and congrats on the great quarter. Matt, I'm wondering when you look at these AI systems that your customers are building, it sounds like the way you're talking about that there's a bigger bottleneck on the connectivity side and the proc...