Q3 2026 Earnings Call — April 29, 2026
Analyst Gautam Khanna (TD Cohen): Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. Just wanted to ask if you could comment on lead times, if they changed at all, broadly, engine and other key sub markets. Also wanted to get a sense for what do you think is possible with respect to increasing output? I know you guys are kind of 24-7 full out. But, you know, just as we think about 27 and 28, outside of pricing, you know, how much tonnage could grow over those couple years? Thanks.
Executive Name: Yeah, sure. On lead times, they remain fairly consistent quarter over quarter, but I do anticipate those starting to push out here in the near term. As you well know, we kind of cap lead times anyway, based on our order activity. But I see those pushing out as we go over the next couple of quarters, even higher than they are right now. Your second question is a really good one. And that's one of the reasons I kind of alluded to the fact that we're producing record earnings when the aerospace market specifically is still accelerating. And it's also the reason why we've noted a couple of times DSA order intake acceleration of aerospace structural materials because although you say we're operating 24/7 which is correct on specific process or production flow paths particularly on the engine side but on some of the other aerospace sub markets we are not. We have pockets of opportunity there and because you know, the structural market was not ordering. So we have a very nice opportunity from a volume standpoint in some of those sub-markets over the next couple quarters, over the next couple years, as you stated. And I think Brian mentioned in his prepared remarks, you're still, we've done a tremendous amount of work on productivity. I mean, that just jumps off the page. But there's still a lot more to do there. So from a volume standpoint, Gotham, I guess to summarize my answer, there's still a lot left in the tank there for us.
Analyst Scott Dushel (Deutsche Bank): Hey, good morning. Tony, for the transactional price increases that you referenced in the press release, is that mostly referring to favorable transactional pricing for aerospace structural alloys, or are you saying those transactional prices creep up more broadly across the portfolio?
Executive Name: Yeah, Scott, remind me. I'm not sure I specifically mentioned price in my prepared remarks. I talked about order intake increasing on that specific sub-market, but I will say that we continue to see pricing as a tailwind force. Again, you know this very well, but you see our price per pound potentially being flat. That's good news for our overall earnings because you see structural business being a bigger ratio of our total volume. That's good. It does have a relatively lower price point than, for example, engines. But if you look at aerospace in total, you'll still see a positive trend there. Come back with a follow-up there if I didn't quite answer your question.
Analyst: Okay, yeah, that's fine. And has the frequency of expedite requests been increasing pretty steadily each month this year, or have those expedite requests been pretty erratic each month?
Executive Name: Yeah, that's an interesting question. I guess there is a feel of a little bit that they're a little bit unpredictable from that standpoint. But if I can't say they've been consistently, you know, unpredictable, we're getting those on a pretty regular basis. I think those are going to increase if history is any indication. As I said in the prepared remarks, we share the same sentiment at the OEMs where they do not believe that the order intake, although increasing, is not enough yet. There's concern on the OEMs that suppliers are not ordering enough material fast enough. We agree with that. And I think as that continues to step up, you'll get more and more emergency orders. I mean, also, as you all know, I really don't want to be in the emergency order business. I'd like for all the customers to order at a nice, you know, consistent pace so we can plan our facilities the best possible we can. But I do see that that's going to happen. That's going to increase for us over the next couple of quarters. I think that's pretty well an absolute.
Analyst: Okay. And then last question, Tim, can you say how much IGT revenue specifically was up in the quarter? And then can you give us an updated sense as to how much of the energy mix is now IGT at this point, as opposed to oil and gas?
Executive Name: Yeah. You see on that one slide, you said the total energy, that was almost 100% driven by IGT. And right now IGT is, I would say, dominating that space. Oil and gas is rather subdued from quarter to quarter. So IGT was the big driver of this quarter. Now, keep in mind also, big increase in IGT. Remember, last quarter, I believe you had a pretty material decrease, and that's just the order patterns of IGT. So I don't get too excited if I see a plus 36% because you had a big order come in, you could be minus 20% the next quarter. But over a long period of several quarters time, we've seen significant and consistent increasing on the IGT business.
Analyst Josh Sullivan (Jones Trading): Hey, good morning. Just want to say congratulations, Tony, to the next phase here. You know, great job done stewarding Carpenter to these heights. And to Brian, congratulations on the next leg here.
Executive Name: Thank you.
Analyst Josh Sullivan (Jones Trading): But I guess just to follow up on the Eurostructures question, you know, Boeing made some comments. You know, I think above, what was it, 47, it would take a bigger investment on the supplier inventory side, you know, versus some of the previous jumps. And so when you talk about, you know, supply chain underordering, would you expect that, or is it your sense that we're going to, the supply chain is going to see that and tighten up in the near term? Or do you think we need to be, you know, at above 47, as Boeing's kind of talking about, to really see the supply chain react?
Executive Name: Well, Josh, that's a really good question. In many ways, that's the million-dollar question, right? What is that last piece of information that drives that increased behavior? I can say we speak regularly to our customers about that. I would say every month you see more and more activity. I don't necessarily think that it needs to be at 47 before you see a big jump in activities, particularly on the structural side, only because we've already seen a nice jump up. Now, it's not enough. I think another really important point that I made there too, Josh, is where Boeing stated that they have basically, you know, exhausted their inventory. That's a key piece of information. So let's see how it plays out. But I don't necessarily think we have to wait for the 47 to see that next push up in orders. Let's see how it goes over the next 30, 60 days.
Analyst: Got it. And then I guess just kind of relatedly on the cashflow profile for Carpenter, whenever that does happen and you start to see that order intake, I mean, is there any working capital builds? You know, I know you guys are, you're out so far in your lead times, maybe not just curious that when that bow wave does finally hit, I mean, is there any sort of thought process on the cashflow profile or should be pretty consistent?
Executive Name: Yeah, I'd say it's pretty consistent, Josh, over time. I mean, we still think inventory is an opportunity for us and that'd be the biggest, I mean, other than sales increasing in AR and days and things like that. But we view all the work that's being done on productivity, we view inventory as an opportunity. So I don't see us investing heavily in inventory just to meet demand.
Analyst: And then just one last one, you know, just on more of the jet engine aftermarket bookings characteristics for the quarter, just on that, and then I'll jump back in the queue. And while it's a question, just the bookings online, yeah, forging jet engine side, you know, more aftermarket kind of related activity is, you know, just some questions around, obviously, the broader air traffic environment and maintenance market. Just any comments you might have there.
Executive Name: Yeah, sure. Usually Gotham asked me this question, what sales are of engines are up sequentially. So I'll tell you that we're engines sequentially were up 24% sales year over year, 44%. So still see very strong sales on the engine side. Fasteners were up 9% or 10% sequentially, about 20% year over year. So you see good movement there. Orders were pretty much in line. We had a big quarter last quarter, had another big quarter this quarter in orders. And as I've said before, I think you'll continue to see that increase over the next couple of quarters.
Analyst Bennett Moore (JP Morgan): Good morning, Tony, Tim, Brian. Congrats on the quarter, and thank you for taking my questions.
Executive Name: Good morning, Bennett.
Analyst Bennett Moore (JP Morgan): I wanted to come to defense and wondering if you've seen any uptick in defense-related orders since the onset of the conflict, and maybe if you could provide any color on you know, where you might have more exposure within those sub markets, you know, for instance, munitions versus jets, et cetera.
Executive Name: Yeah. You know, it's a great question. We saw increased activity even in advance of the Middle East conflict, just because, you know, with the department of war wanting to revitalize and restock it, if you will. So we had seen that in the past already. And just
as a reminder, just as you start talking about different sub-markets there, I mean, we're a supplier, I think you know, Bennett, on many platforms, fixed wing, rotorcraft, naval, missile, armored vehicle.
So we're across multiple sub-markets, if you will, that are all very program specific. So again, it is a more of a lumpy order pattern depending on the program. But we see this as a sub market that's going to continue to increase. In many ways, the impact of the conflict has not been felt yet. I mean, there could potentially be another push upward on orders just to do that replenishment. So that's not always an immediate signal that we see through the supply chain. So I think there's probably more to come on the order intake from the defense standpoint, which was already elevated I think it goes to the next level.
Analyst: Thanks for that context. And then I think this quarter's buybacks were the strongest since the program started. And despite the Athens capex, the free cash flow outlook is improving. So I'm wondering how this might impact any capital allocation decisions. Could we expect to see a relatively higher quarterly buyback run rate moving forward?
Executive Name: Well, it's possible. I mean, it's a good position to be in, right? I think it's very important, and I said it in my prepared remarks, because I think it's critical to our shareholders, is that we're going to stay balanced. We're going to have a repurchase program. We're working on our current brownfield. That's our focus. And that type of relationship, if you will, you should anticipate that being pretty close to the same going forward. That's how we're going to run the company. And, you know, I got Brian sitting here right next to me. He's shaking his head. That's obviously exactly the way he feels as well.
Analyst: Understood. Thanks for the context and best of luck.
Executive Name: Thank you, sir.
Analyst Andre Madrid (BTIG): Tony, Tim, John, thanks for the question and good morning.
Executive Name: Good morning.
Analyst Andre Madrid (BTIG): I kind of wanted to dig into LTAs a little bit further. I think in the release you had talked about and in your comments as well, you know, a willingness to kind of further advance some of those LTAs. There's some that are in the works right now, really pushing for, you know, volume visibility and pricing consistency. Is that an indication that you think, you know, LTA mix might increase through, you know, the coming quarters and years? I guess I'm trying to figure out how that mix might evolve with where we are in the demand environment.
Executive Name: Yeah, Andre, that's a good question. Total carpenter, I mean, our percent LTA is in the 40%. Now, if you look at aerospace only, it jumps up quite a bit. You're in the low 60%, you know, so 60%. 60 to 65% of aerospace revenue is under some type of LTA. Honestly, I don't see that changing a lot going forward. Mutually, there's some customers that don't operate under an LTA based on their preference. I would say what's changing is the customers that historically have been doing business with us under an LTA would like for those to be longer. Of course, and that's another data point to suggest that they also believe in the tightness of the market, and it's only going to get tighter. That's why they'd like to have it longer. We work with each of our customers individually on what's best for both of us. So I guess I gave you a little bit more than what you asked for, but at a high level, I don't see that percentage changing drastically going forward.
Analyst: Got it. No, that's all helpful color. I think pivoting back, you know, not to beat the dead horse here, but, you know, aero structure orders. What kind of quantifiable color can you give there? I remember last quarter you guys had said, you know, like January month to date orders were higher than any month in 25. Is there a similar metric that you can give us right now to kind of, you know, show just where demand is after structures?
Executive Name: Well, we had a, I'll say it this way without getting into specifics on all the submarkets, you had a continued strong order demand for structural last quarter, and you saw a similar type of increase this quarter. So no pullback on the structural side. And Andre, to be honest, I think that's going to continue. And that's why we made the point about I don't think the order rate that's coming into us, although it's increasing significantly, I'm speaking on the structural side, those more distribution value add customers, even though it's increased significantly, I think there's still a lot more to go there.
Analyst: Got it. Got it. No, that's really helpful, Tony. I'll leave it there and jump back in the queue. Thanks so much.
Executive Name: Thank you, sir.
Analyst Simuel McKinney (KeyBank Capital Markets): Hey, good morning.
Executive Name: Good morning.
Analyst Simuel McKinney (KeyBank Capital Markets): It sounds like some of that fiscal year 26 CapEx has been pushed into next year. Could you give us a little more color on the reasons behind the delayed cash spend at the Brownfield expansion?
Executive Name: Yes, Sam, this is Tim Lane. So you're right. We did defer about 40 million of the expected. We set a number for CapEx as we started the year around 300. We're down, and that includes the annual 125 million of targeted CapEx in addition to the brownfield capacity. It's a pretty complex project. You make a set of assumptions on the activities that are going to happen, and then on top of that, you've also got to project what you think cash payments are going to be relative to different milestones and payment terms. And again, a lot of variability. So throughout the year, we're looking relatively positive. We just finished Q3. We have a good handle on what's going to happen in the next 90 days. So it isn't an indication. It's an indication of the cash, not necessarily an indication of the progress on the project. The project's still on track from a timing and budget perspective. It's really just the timing of cash payments. So that's why we reduced the estimate to 260 for the year for CapEx.
Analyst: Okay. Then I ask this, because I know we all get questions about it on our end, and I know you said you'd touch on it next call, but the release generally talked about continued momentum into next year. Did you guys give any thought to updating that existing EBIT guidance range for next year, given the commercial aerospace production momentum has clearly improved meaningfully since you gave that outlook last year?
Executive Name: It's a question, Sam. Did we give any thought to giving that update this quarter?
Analyst: Yes, that's the question.
Executive Name: Well, you know, we have a very detailed process right and I could tell you right now at what 27, 28, 29, 30. I've got a number for each one of those but I want to drive and Brian wants to drive ownership down throughout the entire organization so we have a process that we do our first cut in the fall. We come back in the spring and we do a bottoms up cut of that again, right? Where the commercial team does customer by customer, product by product, operations folks come in, piece of equipment by piece of equipment, what the productivity rates are going to be. And we're in the process of doing that right now. Now, Brian and I both know what that number in 27 needs to be, but I want the ownership of the people out on the shop floor that they're not only going to hit that number, but exceed that number. So I don't want to interrupt a process that has worked very, very well for us over the last several years. And we'll be wrapping that up here shortly. And then the next time we speak publicly will be the fourth quarter. So that's why you'll get it in the fourth quarter. And that's why we've done it the last couple years. Sam, that works for us. And that gets a buy-in from our entire organization. But as I said in my notes, I mean, it's clear that the 2027 number as it stands now is outdated, and we'll be doing much better than that.
Analyst: No, that's completely fair. I understand. Thanks, Tony and Tim.
Executive Name: Thank you, sir.
Analyst Scott Duchelle (Deutsche Bank): Tony, did I hear you right that jet engine revenue was up 44% year over year? And then was there any sub-market with an A&D that moved against you in a meaningful way to offset that?
Executive Name: I did say that. I think total A&D was up 17%. You know, I think some of the other ones you'll have, you know, different pockets that were plus and minus a little bit. Fasteners was up as well. You had a really, really big structural sales month. Sorry, not month, quarter, last quarter. So this quarter, the structural distribution was actually down from a sales standpoint a little bit, but the orders were high. So you know how that works, Scott. It doesn't always match up in that tight 90-day window.
Analyst: Okay, that's helpful. Thank you.
Executive Name: Yep. Thank you, sir.
Analyst David Strauss (Wells Fargo): Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. You know, the incremental margins that you've been putting up, you know, X surcharge at SAO have been extraordinary. I think this past quarter, 80-some percent. It looks like you're forecasting or baking in kind of something similar in Q4, but how do we think about what might be more normal incremental margins for that business as you know, the structural piece kind of becomes a bigger portion, I would assume, going forward.
Executive Name: Yeah, David number one welcome to the call, we appreciate that you picking up coverage, I think I'm gonna get Brian involved in the call here, let him give a comment, at least from a high level from operating margins, and then maybe I can fill back in afterwards.
Executive Name: Yeah, yeah. So as you've seen, we've delivered steady increase in SAO margins, and we're very happy with the efforts of the commercial and operating teams to achieve the 35.6% this quarter. But we've got a strong performance mindset. We obviously have action plans in place to continue to grow from here. Just remind you that, you know, quarter by quarter, the margin expansion isn't going to be linear. So there are a lot of factors we mentioned in our prepared comments that operating margins can be in any given quarter, you know, different. But overall, we see a positive trend upwards. I'm not going to start forecasting quarterly operating margins, but I will say that my expectation is that 35.6 is not the ceiling. We expect the dynamics that are driving margins today to only get stronger in the coming years.
Executive Name: And David, I would just add on to that, you know, because you mentioned structural specifically, and that's a very good point. Certainly, as the market grows and we want it all to grow and you see that structural business get higher, that could have an impact. Now, just because something is at a lower price doesn't necessarily mean it's a lower margin, right, because it has a different process flow. But we've been able to offset any of those type of mixed movements with some of our other levers. So hopefully that answered your question.
Analyst: Yeah, yeah. And then I appreciate that. That's helpful. And then on the price per pound discussion with regard to SAO, how do we kind of reconcile, you know, flattish price with, you know, I think, relatively flat year over year with engine up so much year over year, I thought you were kind of, you know, implying or my understanding is engine price per pound would be higher than kind of structural and fastener. So just asking, you know, kind of how do we reconcile that?
Executive Name: Yeah, I'll tell you this, David, I don't want to get into a habit of giving price movement by every sub market, but it is a good question. And I will say, remember, we're about 65% aerospace. So that number you saw was total CRS. You saw some improvement, some higher sales in some of our non-aerospace markets that have traditionally a lower price. I will give you this, that if you look at aero only year-over-year, price is up almost 10%. So that's the real driver. It is so mix-dependent. But from an aero only standpoint, you see that continue to go up. As you see other non-aero markets, businesses or sub-markets increase in volume, that's a good thing for overall earnings. That could have a, you know, more of a, you know, a lowering the impact on the overall carpenter total price per pound.
Analyst: Okay. Got it. Thanks very much.
Executive Name: Thank you, sir.
Executive Name: I would now like to hand the call back to John Hewitt for closing remarks.
Executive Name: Thank you, operator, and thank you, everyone, for joining us today for our fiscal year 2026 third quarter conference call. Have a great rest of your day. Thank you for attending today's call. You may now disconnect. Goodbye.